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Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Posted By: Fernando Nunes
Date: Friday, 30 November 2012, at 11:44 a.m.
In Response To: Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!! (Fernando Nunes)
As I mentioned earlier, I don't have acess to RHEL 5.8.... But I got a VM
with CentOS 5.8... no java installed. The installer works properly.
Regards.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com>wrote:
> No... -legacy exists in 3.50... haven't tried it... can be a workaround...
>
> I research this... apparently what happens is that Neil probably doesn't
> have a JRE installed (please confirm) and the install script
> (installclientsdk) is trying to use the internal one.
> I uncompresses it by default to something like:
>
> /tmp/istemp9154335012744/_bundledJRE_/jre
>
> And then tries to check if the version is compatible. This looks stupid,
> but the script at this point doesn't know if it's the internal JRE or a
> specified one with -javahome
> This verification fails (should be visible in the install log or maybe a
> debug switch is needed)
>
> Since my installation works perfectly using the embedded one (I'm using
> 5.5, not 5.8), I run the java that is included:
>
> # ldd java
>
> linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
>
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x00d41000)
>
> libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x00d69000)
>
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00d3a000)
>
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x00bdf000)
>
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00bc0000)
>
> Maybe some of these are missing, or most probably there is an
> incompatibility (meaning JRE 1.4.2 does not work in RHEL 5.8)
>
> So, who id to blame? IBM, RH, Neil? :)
> IBM certified this I believe on RHEL 5... and it works with 5.5. Then
> probably RH changed some library that causes incompatibility with JRE 1.4.2
> (which is old in fact).
> RH is to blame? Don't think so... Linux is not recognized by being able to
> run old software versions in new OS versions...
> IBM is to blame? Hmmmm.... FC9 was launched in August 2011... RHEL 5.8 was
> launched in Feb 2012. It was impossible to test this. And normally we'd
> expect a new system to be able to run old software versions...
>
> I'd blame it on Neil... Just install a JRE that works (and so it seems that
> Paul was right: Why do you need to have a working JRE?! ) - point is, you
> wouldn't if Linux would be backwards compatible....
>
> It would be interesting to extract the bundled JRE and try to run it just
> to see what the error is... Undefined symbol somewhere probably... But I
> don't have 5.8...
> But I would not classify this as a bug... More an incompatibility issue
> with a relatively simple workaround.
>
> As a side note... found one PMR with a similar situation (installation of
> the engine 11.5). It was closed with the explanation that the customer
> installed 11.70 and everything worked fine. Problem: Closing a PMR is not
> necessarily solving a problem. Sometimes is just avoiding it...
>
> Regards.
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Fernando Nunes <domusonline@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Only for 11.7 and 3.70 stuff I believe...
> > Regards.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Art Kagel <art.kagel@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The IDS installer also has a commandline option to extract the old
> > tarball
> > > so you can do a manual install. I think it is --legacy. DOn't know if
> the
> > > CSDK installer supports it.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > Art S. Kagel
> > > Advanced DataTools (www.advancedatatools.com)
> > > Blog: http://informix-myview.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: Please keep in mind that my own opinions are my own
> opinions
> > > and do not reflect on my employer, Advanced DataTools, the IIUG, nor
> any
> > > other organization with which I am associated either explicitly,
> > > implicitly, or by inference. Neither do those opinions reflect those of
> > > other individuals affiliated with any entity with which I am affiliated
> > nor
> > > those of the entities themselves.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No idea, it has been a compliant that has come and gone many times
> over
> > > the
> > > > last 10 ?? years.
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried a minimal install on Linux ?
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK your installer uses the Sun JDK and there are classes
> mismatches
> > > with
> > > > the open jre that most Linux's have. Of course why you have to have a
> > > > working Java environment at all has always been a mystery to me
> > > >
> > > > Any error message than the one currently given would be more useful -
> > how
> > > > about 'ying yang fiddly flop' - more informative that the current
> one -
> > > and
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Fernando Nunes
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:19 PM
> > > > To: ids@iiug.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!! [28961]
> > > >
> > > > In that case, there is a bug. I haven't hit that one (recent installs
> > on
> > > > AIX, HP-UX, Linux).
> > > > We must fix it, but for that it must be reported. I haven't followed
> > the
> > > > thread in detail. Was it?
> > > > Regards.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The point is the Java installer is NOT always self-contained
> !!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > Fernando Nunes
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 3:48 PM
> > > > > To: ids@iiug.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!! [28959]
> > > > >
> > > > > The point is that you don't need a working Java environment. The
> > > > installer
> > > >
> > > > > is self contained... or should be, meaning it should provide it's
> own
> > > > JRE.
> > > >
> > > > > There is a downside to this, of course which is size and temp space
> > > > > required...
> > > > > But I don't miss the times where depending on the platform I had to
> > > use a
> > > > > different and strange command to uncompress something and then run
> a
> > > > shell
> > > >
> > > > > script with ever changing options...
> > > > > This should not serve as an excuse if/when there are bugs. But the
> > > > Informix
> > > > > installation is great because:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Supports GUI, silent and console mode
> > > > > - Is simple to use
> > > > > - Has been consistent for some time
> > > > > - Runs fast
> > > > > - Doesn't need to link anything (some others do...)
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh... Of course I may be biased here... But you can be sure I
> > install a
> > > > lot
> > > > > of instances, clientSDK etc... And it works. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Paul Watson <paul@oninit.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Or the fact the installer relies on classes that don't exist in
> the
> > > > > openjdk
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But you miss the point - why do have to have a working Java
> > > environment
> > > > > to
> > > > >
> > > > > > just install the $%^&*$^&*$%^* system especially when you have no
> > > > > intention
> > > > > > of ever using Java
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And why does the 64 bit 4gl need a 32 bit Java installer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: ids-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:ids-bounces@iiug.org] On
> Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > > Sundar
> > > > > > Shunmugam
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:12 PM
> > > > > > To: ids@iiug.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!! [28956]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Neil,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Very likely an existing JDK/JRE path, which is incompatible is
> > > > > interfering
> > > > >
> > > > > > with installer's functionality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you check your path variable, for any reference to existing
> > > JDK/JRE
> > > > > > installation? Temporarily remove it and retry installation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note:
> > > > > > - Some of the JDK/JREs cannot be used (for example FSF version).
> > > > > > - Ensure your product media is complete as it normally ships
> with a
> > > JRE
> > > > > > for installer.
> > > > > > - In addition, check your disk space.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sundar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "NEIL TRUBY" <neil.truby@ardenta.com>
> > > > > > To: ids@iiug.org,
> > > > > > Date: 11/28/2012 03:22 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!! [28933]
> > > > > > Sent by: ids-bounces@iiug.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Pradeep
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the reply. Tried that too; it's just craps straight
> out:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > root@01tst /export/home/trubyn/crap #
> > > > > > /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/bin/java
> > -version
> > > > > > java version "1.6.0_22"
> > > > > > OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.10.6)
> > > > > > (rhel-1.25.1.10.6.el5_8-x86_64)
> > > > > > OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.0-b11, mixed mode)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > root@01tst /export/home/trubyn/crap # ./installclientsdk
> -javahome
> > > > > > /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0.x86_64/jre/bin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Initializing InstallShield Wizard........
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Extracting Bundled JRE.
> > > > > > root@01tst /export/home/trubyn/crap #
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> > > > > --
> > > > > Fernando Nunes
> > > > > Portugal
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> > > > > http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
> > > > > My email works... but I don't check it frequently...
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Messages In This Thread
- Arggghhhh!!!!!!
NEIL TRUBY -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, at 8:28 p.m.
- Re: Fw: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Pradeep Kutty -- Tuesday, 27 November 2012, at 10:32 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
NEIL TRUBY -- Wednesday, 28 November 2012, at 4:18 a.m.
- RE: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Paul Watson -- Wednesday, 28 November 2012, at 10:06 a.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Sundar Shunmugam -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 3:12 p.m.
- RE: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Paul Watson -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 4:06 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 4:47 p.m.
- RE: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Paul Watson -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 5:02 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 5:19 p.m.
- RE: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Paul Watson -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 5:44 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Art Kagel -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 6:25 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 6:41 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Cesar Inacio Martins -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 7:41 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 8:57 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Friday, 30 November 2012, at 11:44 a.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
Fernando Nunes -- Thursday, 29 November 2012, at 6:39 p.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
JACQUES RENAUT -- Wednesday, 28 November 2012, at 9:54 a.m.
- Re: Arggghhhh!!!!!!
NEIL TRUBY -- Friday, 30 November 2012, at 3:59 p.m.
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