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RE: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!

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I've heard the expression "polished turd" on several UK car programs
recently, can anyone explain to me what it means?

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Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien à dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
- Coluche


From: "Berner, Car...." <cberner@lucent.com>
>
>In Atlanta Infobahn, they mention 5 to 10 years and Carlton Doe reinforced,
>that many features of Informix with be in one common database: DB2
>Arrowhead
>
>Carl W Berner - Team Lead Informix/Oracle DBA
>IBM Global Services - Serving Lucent Technologies
>Work : (770) 750 5225
>Pager: 1-800-759-8888 Pin#1615039
>Email: cberner@lucent.com
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DarrenJacob.... [mailto:DarrenJacobs@carmax.com]

>
>I attended the DC infobahn last week. Our major presenter was Don Top. He
>also mentioned the DB2 migration path and little or no future for informix
>beyond 2006.
>
>Release schedule:
>9.50 released sometime between 2004 - 2005
>9.60 being released 2006.
>
>After all the mention of "integrating the good things from informix" into
>DB2 he went on to present the "DB2 integrator" product. ugh! If DB2 is
>their flagship platform then why do they need to intergrate informix into
>it??? Did he say "we hope sometime in the future you can just click a
>button and move your informix into DB2!!" ?
>
>I strongly believe that the main intention of the "roadshow" is for IBM to
>get a feeling on who will stick around once informix is gone. Offering the
>"gold program" just in case you want to "migrate to db2".... surely this
>is the evidence.
>
>During our "Q" and "A" session I asked about publishing benchmarks for ids
>9.40. He stated, somewhat defensively, that IBM will not publish
>benchmarks for IDS because of the expense but will continue to publish
>benchmarks for DB2.....yaada yaada yaada... I'm sure the real reason is
>that IBM does not want to show that their "flagship" database does not
>perform as well as their "lower brand".
>
>To quote another attendee and friend.....Don has drank the blue kool-aid.
>He's an IBM'er now.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Konikoff,
> R...." To: ids@iiug.org
> <konikoffr@BRAGG cc:
> .ARMY.MIL> Subject: RE: No forced
>migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY! [1040]
>
>Bleb:
>
>Several weeks ago, I put on the classics the simple question:
> Do you think Informix is a dead end?
>
>I got several responses... My favorite:
>Obnoxio the Clown: "...From a technical/product development point of view,
>Informix has a better future than before, but the marketing still tosses
>salad."
>
>John Thomas hit the nail on the head with his comments:
>"Just what do you mean by "long term"... Long term could be 5 to 10
>years..................
>That's exactly the point, for our organization at least. Our system
>development and deployment cycles (our new system currently under
>development is over 1.6 million lines of Java) last at least 2-3 years,
>often up to 5 years. (Data conversion alone took us over a year, but we
>radically changed the structure of the database at the same time) We need
>something we know is going to be there for the long haul (10 yrs + )
>
>Anybody else want to wade in?
>
>Rob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bleb@harland.net [mailto:bleb@harland.net]
>
>I apologize in advance for this rant, but I hope IBM is monitoring this
>discussion list.
>
>First off, I attended the InfoBahn presentation in Atlanta a couple of
>weeks ago. Alan Grady, VP of DataManagement Worldwide Services and Support
>was the major presenter. He stressed the fact the IBM was not forcing
>migrations from Informix to DB2. It was stressed by several attendees
>including my self, that while IBM was not directly forcing these
>migrations, they were indirectly accomplishing the same by lack of 3rd
>Party Vendor support ie, Peoplesoft, BAAN, etc. Alan was also not very
>convincing as well, since he slipped several times and mentioned that there
>was a DB2 migration path for these type applications.
>
>I'd like to now congratulate IBM as our company is now seriously
>considering Oracle as a viable option for new projects. Whereas we have
>been almost exclusively Informix and DB2/UDB for Open Systems, IBM through
>it licensing policy has PO'd some people in my organization. What has
>pissed them off? How about a licensing strategy that basically places
>Informix licenses at almost twice the cost of DB2 licenses.
>
>It's not that were against DB2. It's just that we have applications
>currently running on Informix that would be much easier to support on
>Informix. For obvious reasons I can't go into our licensing agreements
>with IBM.
>
>How is my company supposed to view this? We are told we are not being
>forced into DB2. But the pricing makes it almost impossible not to
>migrate. With such mixed signals it's no wonder our management is so upset
>with IBM.
>
>Anyone know where I can get some good Oracle courses?


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Messages In This Thread

• No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
  bleb@harland.net -- Tuesday, 29 April 2003, at 2:31 p.m.
  • Re: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
    Christine Normile -- Tuesday, 29 April 2003, at 4:21 p.m.
  • RE: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
    Konikoff, Rob (Contractor) -- Tuesday, 29 April 2003, at 4:48 p.m.
    • RE: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
      DarrenJacobs@carmax.com -- Wednesday, 30 April 2003, at 9:06 a.m.
      • RE: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
        Berner, Carl (Carl)** CTR ** -- Wednesday, 30 April 2003, at 11:48 a.m.
        • RE: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
          Obnoxio The Clown -- Wednesday, 30 April 2003, at 2:41 p.m.
  • Re: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
    Obnoxio The Clown -- Tuesday, 29 April 2003, at 7:10 p.m.
  • Re: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
    Andy Lennard -- Thursday, 1 May 2003, at 1:30 a.m.
    • Re: No forced migrations to DB2 - HORSE HOCKEY!
      Dave Thacker -- Thursday, 1 May 2003, at 1:52 p.m.

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